This project Oral History on the Web project, contains two parts.
The oral sources. And the presentation of them on the web. Here I will
discuss, based on traditional valuation of sources, the specific characteristics
with my oral sources; childhood memories.
To establish a source
My mother spent her childhood in at Nordnes. She started at Nordnes
primary school autumn 1945. For the last 15 years, they have come together
at intervals. Last time was September '97.
For my project, I wanted four or five that had:
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experienced the explosion 20th. of April, but not experienced death or
bad injuries by themselves or in their family.
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been evacuated, but to different locations and conditions.
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experienced the day of peace and coming home from different locations.
The four I ended up with, all got a letter where the project was described.
The letter was send by my mother, to achieve confidence. She lives in another
city. Then I made a phone call. They were all willing to tell their story,
and I told them all they wanted to know about the project.
To prepare myself for the interview, I wrote mine memories from
the first thing I remember until I started at school. By doing that, I
think I got to know more about the amount of memories I could expect them
to have, and get a clue on how to put my questions.
I read about Bergen during the war, especially on the Nordnes part,
and I walked around the streets and smau of Nordnes to get to know
the names and the places. That turned out to be most useful during the
interview sessions.
Evaluation of the sources
When writing my own memories, I experienced that when I began to collect
memories for the second time, I once in a while call in question whether
it was really mine experience, or something I was told by my parents, or
had seen on a photo.
Another problem, is pin pointing the event to the right
year, or season.
In the interview with Rannveig, a doubt sprang up in her mind. She had
seen lorries with injured people on the stovage plan, but was it the 20th.
of April? The lorries drew Haugevein to first aid station at Kalmarhuset
or to the hospitals, which were all in the south of the city. Together
with her mother and sister, they walked to Torget, and if they had gone
the usual way, they wouldn't have seen the lorries.
The reason why all the lorries had to drive Haugeveien, was the chaos
the explosion had made of the streets nearby Vågen. I
put a remarked on that:
Jeg:
-Nå var det jo veldig mye kaos der ned.
Rannveig:
-Altså det husker jeg jo fakta ikke akkurat ruten. Altså,
hvis vi gikk ned Store Markevei, så er det jo stor mulighet at det
var akkurat da vi så disse lastebilene med folk som kom. Men ellers
så skulle ikke vi ha sett de hvis vi gikk ned den veien som var vanlig. |
I:
-It was a chaos down there.
Rannveig:
-Well, I actually don't remember the route.
If we went down Store Markevei, then it's a huge possibility that we
saw the lorries bringing (wounded) people. But otherwise we wouldn't have
seen them if we went the ordinary route. |
She's getting more and more convinced that they couldn't have gone the
ordinary route. When I added that the warehouse Blaaws
was burning, she was completely convinced. (Unfortunately, my memory was
wrong, I mixed two warehouses. But it was a mess all right with all windows
broken.
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Five and six years old - any differences?
Laila was five years one month before the 20th. of April '44, Rannveig
6 days later: Bjørg Elisabeth was six years old three months after
the explosion and Lillian was six in August The Swedish author Anna
Wahlgren in her book of Childhood gives a characteristic of the five- and
the six year old children as very different.
She describes the five year old girl (or boy) as a harmonic, self-confident,
and in her own eyes: A perfect human being. Ask a five year old to do something
he can't handle, and he refuse by giving a lot of good explanations of
why he isn't supposed to do that. There is just one problem. Since she's
so perfect, she will not show when there is something she don't understand.
The six year old girls is not confident, says Wahlgren. The six year
old is frustrated, she think that nobody like her, that she have to prove
that she is worthy, and and she want to behave like a grown up. The
six year old girl feels she loose her parents, and have to establish a
new relationship to them, or better, to another grown up person. .
I think her theories
is most valuable in establish an understanding of childhood memories. Mainly
because children often remember things they didn't understand why they
did. It can also explain why Bjørg Elisabeth remember, while in
air-raid shelter autumn '44, wanted to be with Sigrid at Geilo instead
of her mother.
I guess she had not been longing for Sigrid if she had been a year younger.
She was evacuated to Geilo shortly after the explosion, and was very happy
to be together - alone - with Sigrid and her husband. It must have been
a dream for a six year old who wants to establish relationship with other
grown up than her parents. Maybe that's why she think Sigrid look like
an angel.
Lillian, almost six, was on her own the 29.th of October.
She could feel somehow free from her parents, and responsible for her little
sister when her mother was at the hospital. She refused to undress, and
tells about Einar resting at the kitchen table. It isn't hard to understand
that he probably had tried to get her in bed as she was supposed
to. A baby sitter who falls asleep, represent a demand for every six year
old child to take the responsibility for herself and her smaller sister.
There was a war, there was air-raid, but there was also a sister without
her cap:
Og når vi kommer opp og skal krysse eller
over gaten, så ser eg på min søster og så
har ikkje hun huen på seg. Og det der må
ha vært en sånn merkelig opplevelse.
Korfor eg var så opptatt av den huen. Ja,
ihvertfall så endte det med at eg løpte
tebake igjen til det huset som var begynt å
ramle sammen innvending, for å hente den
huen. Og eg vet at onkel Einar stoppet og
ropte, og han hørtes sint og rasende. Men
huen skulle eg ha med meg. Og dette var
blå lue med broderier på, rosebroderier, og
flatt bak i bakhodet. Men eg hentet huen,
og skyndtet meg selvfølgelig tilbake. . |
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Both the two who were five years old, lacks strong memories of been
afraid. I discussed this with Rannveig at the end of the interview session:
Jeg: -En fem åring er vel egentlig litt sånn bekymringsløs?
Rannveig:
-Ja, det kan jeg tenke meg. Så lenge ikke det at omgivelsene
hele tiden hisses opp, eller de hele tiden blir skremt av sånne ting,
så skulle du ikke tro at de heller merket noe, sant.. |
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Ididn't want to make follow up interview, because they all stressed
that this was about it.
Ja, er det noe mer du kunne tenkt deg, eller er det mer du kan få
vridd meg til.
J: Da hadde det kjanskje vært bedre å komme tilbake.
Nei, jeg har jo tenkt nå. Visste at du skulle komme. Tenkte jeg
hva husker jeg. Det er liksom sånne ting, ellers så er det
vanlig lek og liksom ikke noe skremmende du husker. |
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| Det er rart når du repeterer det altså, for da... Men det
er det eneste. Det er veldig snevert det området mitt altså.
Det er helt tydelig så. Det andre det er bare glimt.. |
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It was a common experience that when it wasn't more memories of war, they
started on with post war time. Laila did (Laila B 2.20 ) and
Rannveig (b 2:40), and the interview with Laila ends with a "that's about
it".
Laila says she can't remember very much, maybe there are memories that
are expelled. (Laila B 2:20) There will always be things expelled.
But as long as I had got the main memories, there are not many unsolved
questions that goes to what they have told, so I don't want to dig for
the expelled, and don't think a historian should do.
Primary or secondary sources
Lillian several times asked herself if it was a real memory (Lillian
B 2:15), or had someone told her, and she adapted the story as her own.
She conclude that no one could have told her. And she made a phone
call to confirm a memory before the interview:
Lillian, Lillian B 14:45: 15:15
| Og det var, eg måtte, eg ringte til min mor, for hun bor oppe
i Finmarken, eg ringte til min mor akkurat for å høre om den
dagen når, den aprildagen når Haugeveien. For da ringte
eg for å høre med hun om eg husket riktig Og hun mente min
søster lå og sov. Men det var riktig som eg sa. Det var tre
sånne ruter, og så var det den midterste som gikk.
Joda, det var riktig. Og det var det. Så var det ikkje mer. Aner
ikke hva som skjedde etterpå. Det bare antar eg. |
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In the excerpt below, Lillian says she just suppose what happened later
on on the day of the explosion. Her story on the explosion is about 50
seconds. After that, she even make a remark on that this she is telling
now, she has been told. (A 1:40 ff)
Also for the others, it is possible to see whether these excerpts should
be considered a primary or a secondary source, or even a part of a legend.
I believe that the preparation was very important. They knew I wanted
the memories of the, not of their parents.
Oral Sources on the Web
I think it is possible to get good primary sources from childhood memories
even when it's more than fifty years since the events.
This project also put the oral source on web. The following example
shows how difficult it is to say whether i is a primary source or a secondary
sours without the sound.
Laila, Part A: 4:00-4:16
| Så vi kom tilbake igjen til vårt, eller til Cort Philsmauet
der da, og pakket sammen da i løpet av samme dagen såpass
at vi kunne reise ut på Askøy, der hadde min tante |
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This could have been an primary source. Without the sound, it's hard to
tell. (Unfortunately I haven't got the sound yet). With sound, it
is quit obvious that she didn't have a good memory on that, so i followed
up later on:
Laila partB 1:10 - 1:40
Jeg: -Tilbake til Cort Philsmauet?
Laila: - ja vi må ha vært innom der ja, men eg kan ikkje
huske det heller, Eg har bare enkelte bilder. Husker vi kjørte gjennom
byen.Vi kom ikke ut der vi skulle egentlig, vi skulle til Nyhavn,
for der ute hadde vi noen slektninger, men vi kom ikke gjennom og ut der,
så vi måtte tilbake.. Og allerede samme kvelden, har min mor
fortalt meg, så reiste vi ut med denne båten, til Askøy.
Eg kan ikkje huske at hun pakket eller ka som skjedde i de timene der. |
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